Showing posts with label Wormser Flasks (tf-62). Show all posts
Showing posts with label Wormser Flasks (tf-62). Show all posts

Wednesday, October 7, 2009

Wormser Bros. Painting


Here is a neat picture I thought I would share with you all. It is an original hand painted picture, signed and numbered, showing a pretty good go at a Wormser Bros. flask. I got this off Ebay years ago, still haven't framed it. Its painted on Tag Board giving it an old textured look. Anybody have any other paintings or ? How about posting your Whiskey Signs or Advertising, Any Wormser or other Flask related stuff out there? Dr.Barnes

Monday, July 27, 2009

JUST SOME NICE BOTTLES











Here is a great run of J.F. Cutter(t-46) fifths that Richard Siri sent in for us to take a look at. That big top or 'fat boy' variant 1 is lighter amber than you usually see them. The greenish ones just speak for themselves!














Some smokin' Wormser Bros. Verticals (tf-63). You don't see them in that light green color very often.










I have been slow to get to some of the great photos 'Millers Extra' has sent me. I have been a little busy this month and have been a bit derelict in my posting.





He calls this one "just another Cutter". Well not quite!!
J.H.Cutter Crown Shoulder(tf-10) in dark, chocolate amber and super whittled. Just a beautiful bottle.




















Tuesday, February 24, 2009

WORMSER FLASK cont.



Just received this very cool ad from Warren Friedrich. Portland Morning Oregonian March thru July 1868.


Check out the bottle Wormser Bros. were using in early 1868. Looks like the wide body to me. Wormser(tf-62) The only thing that would be better would be to show the bottle with a "champange top".


Hildburgh Bros. knew how to pick the brands for their agency. What, a flask or square bottle doesn't interest you, how about some of these new grape brandy bitters in the unusual, funny looking bottle.

I love that Alex von Humboldt's ad. "One wine-glass full taken three times a day, before meals" That is a lot of stomach bitters!! Say a wineglass is 12 oz, not a sherry glass but a wine glass. If you are pouring your own at home, I don't think your going to scrimp with an 6 - 8oz. serving. Say we split the diff. and say 10oz. That's 30 oz. a day, or more than a fifth per day. I just had to measure my Alex Von Humboldts and it holds 22oz at just below the top. Hell, that is a 1.3 bottles per day!! I need to find someone that was hooked on Alex. back in 1868. Wouldn't take too long to fill a privy with bottles at that rate.

Wednesday, February 11, 2009

WORMSER BROTHERS SAN FRANCISCO (additional)


Some additional information that you may find interesting on Wormser Bros. Their popular brand Golden Sheaf Whiskey was granted a trademark in the "State of California" on Oct. 24th, 1867. As has been noted in other publications the colored, circular label portrays a women in a wheat field holding a sheaf of wheat. Very similar to the proposed trademark in the application with the state. I have seen at least two of the Wormser Bros. (tf-63) flasks over the years that have been dug with the label remaining intact. The late Charlie Frates had an example with a complete label that was found high in the mountains in the area around Ely, Nevada. This area is routinely under snow for 5 to 6 months a year. Interesting that labels on bottles and cans survive in this environment.

Warren Friedrich has been doing a tremendous amount of research on western bottle manufacture and western glass works history sent me this interesting advertisement that appeared in the Sacramento Daily Union for a full month beginning on Nov. 5th 1867. Apparently Wormser Bros. were quite proud of the Golden Sheaf brand.


For many years, there has been much conjecture as to where particular western bottles may have been blown. The Pacific Glass Works or possibly it's competitor the San Francisco Glass Works. Bottles that are known to have been distributed during this 1867 to 1870 period had been the focal point of Friedrich's research because there was that obvious gap in production at San Francisco Glass Works. (Burned down in Jul. 1868, production restarted Sept. 1870) Bottles that were distributed in 1869 -1870 had to be blown at Pacific Glass Works... right?

Well, not so fast.... it's not quite that easy. Friedrich has uncovered some fascinating information on bottle manufacture, mold making and mold ownership, and some completely new and fresh information on some of the rarest western blown bottles. I'll let him tell you about it in the book he is writing. It is great stuff!! As far as Wormser Bros., the (tf-62) horizontal seems to disappear about the same time as the S.F. Glass Works burns down. The (tf-63) vertical is definitely around in 1869 so maybe the Wormser brothers were Pacific Glass Works clients from the beginning.



I have not found any other brands that the Wormser Bros. have trade marks granted for. However, just recently an interesting bottle was found wrapped or enclosed in a leather case. It was the Wormser vert(tf-63) and the label was preserved perfectly. Not a Golden Sheaf label, but EUREKA WHISKEY - PUT UP BY WORMSER BROS. S.F. Check it out at this link. Very interesting. www.fohbc.com/PDF_Files/WesternFlasks_Fa2005.pdf.
I have no additional information on this Eureka Whiskey brand. If anything new has turned up, type us a comment.

Tuesday, February 10, 2009

WORMSER BROTHERS SAN FRANCISCO (additional)

The Wormser flask with the large top pictured in my first post, is not a real extreme example of this variant. I have seen a number that are much more pronounced. The test to determine if you have this "large top" variant is quite simple. It was devised a number of years ago at the Reno Bottle Show by my friend and flask collector Jon Lawson.

Simply turn the bottle upside down and stand it on it's top. RELEASE YOUR HAND!! The release time is the critical element in determining the "rating" assigned to your specimen. A top example might have a release time of .5 seconds or less!

If you are showing your bottle at a location with a cement floor, please add at least 2.5 seconds or an appropriate amount of additional time to the experiment.

Being in a modestly sober condition is also quite important.

Wednesday, February 4, 2009

WORMSER BROTHERS SAN FRANCISCO

The Wormser Bros. flasks (tf-62, tf-63, tf-64) are early western glob flasks that are well known to collectors, at least the Wormser (tf-63) or Vertical Wormser is well known. The Wormser (tf-63) is probably the most common, most easily obtainable, of the western glob flasks. This is one of the larger, early western flasks. Widely distributed in California and Nevada, and also southern Oregon. Distribution dates on this bottle would be approx. 1868-1872. If I was to venture a guess on a population total of this bottle, I would put the number at 200+. With that many examples floating around, it means you can find a decent example in the $350-500 price range. The typical "character flaws" of this flask are lack of crudeness in the body, weak embossing, and the typical color of this flask is quite an ordinary dark olive amber. So, if you want an example that is whittled, with strong embossing, and in a lighter color, the price just went up!
There are several variations of this particular Wormser flask. If you are a "variant nut" like some of us are, then you will find it enjoyable to try to obtain the different examples. Hey, with the high prices, all I can afford are Wormser variations. I am not going to turn this into a exercise in minutiae much like collecting early U.S. coins, did you know there are about 50 varieties of the 1804 half cent!!?? I will consider embossing variations, major mold changes, and in the case of flasks, the type of top will be considered a variety.
The Wormser(tf-63) comes in three variations of the top. What is considered the earliest example has a large double roll top, with the top roll noticeably larger than the bottom roll. These large top examples were once thought to have been blown at the South Stoddard Glass works (see Wilson, Spirits of). I am quite certain that all of the examples of the Wormser Flasks were blown in San Francisco. Also, there is really no documented indication that this style of top is older or blown earlier than the other two (tf-63) variations. It's just more popular. In my observation of this variant, it seems like it usually comes with fairly weak embossing. Try to locate one with strong embossing and with decent whittle effect. They are not that easy to come by.
Second variation would be the double roll top that is uniform in size, top roll to bottom roll. These seem to show up more often with stronger embossing, and I have seen this variety more often in lighter shades of orange amber and yellow amber compared to the 1st variant. Again, not that often in a highly whittled state. If you can locate one that is whittled and in color, you've got a nice example.
Third variation would be the single roll top. I have not seen all that many of this style over the years. I have owned two or three and have seen a handful in other collections. One nice whittled example of a single roll (tf-63) came out of a privy in Pioche, NV in 1970's, along with some other nice early bottles. All of the early single roll examples I have seen have been in the same medium to dark olive amber coloration, and I have no documented reason to think they were blown before or after the other two variations. Except for some interesting finds that were made in Ruby Hill, NV.
Digging that area in the early 1990's, before mining started up again in earnest, produced two, maybe three examples of Wormser(tf-63) flasks with a very small, pinched single roll top. They were not remarkable in any way except for the squirrelly top and that they were more of a plain amber color. The problem with these latest single roll finds is that they were found in late 1870's/early 1880's holes. Other bottles in the privies, Mau sodas, Schneider Drugs, amber beers - not black glass, etc., all point to a time capsule of from 1878-1882. Which corresponds with the boom years of Ruby Hill. So, the question begs, why are Wormser flasks being used in this town a full 6 to 10 years after Isaac and Simon Wormser sold the company. It probably has something to do with another change in the partnership that had originally bought out the Wormser Bros. in 1872. (see Thomas pg. 122 Whiskey Bottles of the Old West) It is interesting that they would still have access to the old Wormser Bros. bottle mold, and trotted out the old familiar embossed bottle years later. We will just include these newer single roll tops with the originals to avoid too much to think about. Glass manufacture in west changed rapidly in the formative years. In the 1860's and early 1870's quality control of glass color for western blown bottles in practically nonexistent. It is not unusual to find early western fifths and flasks, 1867-1874 or so, in a surprising array of colors. From dark amber to apple green, and almost all combinations in between. Even a couple of examples are known in aqua glass. By the later 1870's to 1880's, the amber coloration became more standard. The ambers varied more simply light to dark, and not so much with olive tones. To the trained eye, these newer single roll Wormser flasks look quite different from the ones of pre-1872.

The Wormser (tf-62) flask is the earliest version of WORMSER BROS. SAN FRANCISCO flask. It is sometimes referred to as the horizontal Wormsers or even the "fat Wormsers". It is an awkward, somewhat unwieldy shape, being quite a bit wider through the shoulders than the (tf-63) flask. These are crudely made bottles, and most likely didn't stand up too well when full of liquid. Possibly the reason they were replaced after a year or two by a more conventional shape. This is the first embossed whiskey flask blown on the West Coast. Circa: 1867-1868. It has been given an earlier date in some publications, but since Wormser's trade marked their "Golden Sheaf Whiskey" in 1867, that is the date I will use for the bottle. It is definitely found in towns that were active in 1868. At least ten broken ones and one intact one have been found in Eastern Nevada. A beautiful green example was recently found, broken in place, in Austin, Nev. This bottle would have to be rated very rare, possibly 10-12 intact examples known to exist. The Wormser(tf-62) is plagued with small checks and cracks in the glass due to improper annealing at the glass works. Every example known with either the single roll top or the double roll top have these "in making" annealing cracks. There are three examples known with what has been called a "champagne top". This top is very similar to the eastern blown pictorial flasks of the 1850's -1860's. The champagne top examples of the Wormser(tf-62) do not seem to have the annealing problems of the other two styles. I have seen two of the three examples and they appear to be perfect. I am not sure about the third example.


With the distinctly different styles of top, I guess we have three variants of the Wormser(tf-62). Probably no need to worry about collecting all three, as they are nearly impossible to locate. I have seen just a couple for sale in the open market in the past 10years. One, yellow amber, with major damage was offered in 1999 for $2000.00, and in 2006 a beautiful yellow olive, perfect example with the champagne top was sold through Glassworks Auction. It fetched a stunning $26000.00 at auction. That was before auction fees were added!
Most collectors rank the Wormser(tf-62) in the top five of the early western flasks. If we are going by dollar value, or "checkbook ranking", it would have to be ranked at #2. Only the N. Grange flask has sold for a higher price.

The WORMSER BROS. S.F. / FINE OLD COGNAC(tf-64) is another of the extremely rare western glob top flasks, and the final of the three Wormser entries. This bottle was probably distributed for a short time in 1871-1872. There are at least 5, maybe 6 known examples. It is a smaller flask than the other Wormser's, slightly larger than a 1/2 pint. It comes only with a double roll top, and is a fairly heavy, sturdy "banded" style flask. The examples I have seen are similar in color, lighter amber shades with a slight olive tone. It is noted in Thomas' book that a broken pint example of this flask has been found. If anyone has first hand knowledge of that being a fact, please let me know. These flasks have been found in California and Nevada. I found a broken one in the old railroad town of Toano, in eastern Nevada. Putting an estimated value on this bottle is difficult, because there have been very few recorded sales. A very nice example sold at auction in 1996 for $10,000.00. Two more examples were found in 1997 and sold privately, reportedly for similar amounts. See my posting on "whiskey collecting".